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ANNA HAZARE - GANDHIAN, or more INDIAN ?

Summit,always wanted 2 serve my nation,I had a dream 2 bcm a doc,but also having an intrest about our culture .....



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Summit,always wanted 2 serve my nation,I had a dream 2 bcm a doc,but also having an intrest about our culture & history whethr its ancient or political,i always have a deep respect 4 our freedm fighters like Khudiram Bose, Matingini Hazra,S.C.Bose,Durga di,Lala Lajpat Rai,Sukhdev,C.Azad,Rajguru,Bhagat Singh,Rani Laxmibai,Bahadur Shah Zafar,Tipu Sultan & many more whom we dun knw bt dey had a gr8 contribution in freedm of our motherland,bt unfortunately most of us has 4gotn their sacrifes 4 our motherland
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I dun knw whthr u knw dis or not bt S.C.Bose was married & had a daughter named Anita,& u can even get d pics of him,his wife & his daughter at his residence in Kolkata,which is now cnvrted 2 a meuseum.Infact i dun think dat getting married cr8s any barrier 4 a person who is purely devoted 2 his nation,bt ppl like Swami Agnivesh z single bt working as an agent of d govt.
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I dun knw whthr u knw dis or not bt S.C.Bose was married & had a daughter named Anita,& u can even get d pics of him,his wife & his daughter at his residence in Kolkata,which is now cnvrted 2 a meuseum.Infact i dun think dat getting married cr8s any barrier 4 a person who is purely devoted 2 his nation,bt ppl like Swami Agnivesh z single bt working as an agent of d govt.

Roop, Good Thing you picked this up.......I WARN YOU, DON'T BELIEVE THIS....THIS IS A POLITICAL PROPAGANDA....NETAJI HAS NO WIFE, NO DAUGHTER......HE NEVER MARRIED....... PLEASE DON'T BUY INTO THAT... THIS IS A POLITICAL PROPAGANDA BY N-CHACHA AND MANY OTHERS.

REMEMBER, EMILY SCHENKEL 'BOSE' AND ANITA 'BOSE' ARE NOT NETAJI'S WIFE AND DAUGHTER....NETAJI NEVER MARRIED...

HIS MARRIAGE IS A POLITICAL PROPAGANDA....PLEASE BE AWARE OF IT....NE NEVER MARRIED.....


YOU'LL BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO STABBED NETAJI FROM BEHIND, VERY SHAMELESSLY, AND VERY TRAGICALLY, INCLUDE MEMBERS OF HIS OWN FAMILY.

TO KNOW MORE ON THIS, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING POST :
Friends, CHECK THE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET - it might be FAKE ! (Link)
Read the Post No. 1 on that Page...that's also the Post No. 11 of that THREAD.

I REPEAT.....
EMILY SCHENKEL 'BOSE' AND ANITA 'BOSE' ARE NOT NETAJI'S WIFE AND DAUGHTER....NETAJI NEVER MARRIED...THIS IS THE TRUTH

Please let me know if you have any further questions. If you need more to study on this I can tell you the name of a book you can read. But First, Read that Post and tell me.

Thanks,

Summit.

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Thumbs up Instead Indian can't we take Annaji as BHARTIYA.. AAOO KAREN BHARAT NIRMAN

JAI BHARAT

Dear Summit, you have picked up a very nice topic. I appreciate your dedicated studies towards Bharat Mahan. Views mentioned here of all maa Bharati's Saput (sons & Daughters) are worthy to read.

I believe that the moment our current people will realize BHARAT is far better and ahead of this Modern India, as this INDIA tag was labeled by Britishers, not only dream of our lakhs of TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTERS but also of patriot like ANNAJI will come true.

I remembered Annaji's Sandesh (Message) of 16th Aug. 2011, which he concluded with "JAI BHARAT".

I think if we all "Saput" of Maa Bharti starts greeting each-other with Jai Bharat, the spirit of HONESTY, PUREITY, PATRIOTISM, HUMANITY and so be will automatically inculcate in us.

Jai Bharat
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May b i m nt correct,but hav seen d pics of d above named person by u,as his wife n daughter,at his own house in Kolkata,which z nw turned in2 a meuseum@summit,bt u didnt get my point,being married or single doesnt create any hurdle towards ur feelings 4 ur motherland.Mrs. Kiran Bedi is married 2 Mr.Brij Bedi(social activist),Mr.Arwind Kejriwal is married 2 Sunita Kejriwal(I.A.S officer & batchmate of Kejriwal)bt it dsnt mean dat they r less devotee 2wards d nation than annaji,coz while being in govt.jobs they try to serve d country well & even had left their jobs also.
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May b i m nt correct,but hav seen d pics of d above named person by u,as his wife n daughter,at his own house in Kolkata,which z nw turned in2 a meuseum@summit,bt u didnt get my point........

Good you picked up that Topic Roop...that Museum houses in itself a BIG INSULT to Netaji....and that is exactly what we're going to talk about today.

Remember Roop, on Post No. 44 of the Thread "Suggestions for Annaji and Team against the governments action against Annaji & Team" (LINK : Suggestions for Annaji & team against the governments action against Annaji & team Anna), where we began talking on Netaji, I had said this -

"The Greatest of idols dissolved away like wet mounds of clay, the loftiest of ideals reeked of the biggest farce. Never had I been so pained before; I wept not tears but blood."

Now I'll lead you onto some of my Pain - I'll show you why I wept not tears but blood - PREPARE YOURSELF, YOU TOO MIGHT GO THROUGH THE SAME GRIEF AND AGONY :-





NETAJI'S ASSAULTERS WERE HIDING IN HIS OWN FAMILY


Yes, and they were his own Nephew Sisir Kumar Bose (Late) and his wife Krishna Bose. Later their son Sugato Bose (whom Mamata Banerjee has now brought in from Harvard to Preside the Advisory Council of Presidency University (earlier Presidency College Kolkata) - such an act of such shame!), and daughter Sharmila Bose, also joined them in their bandwagon. The conspiracy was linked to N-Chacha; Sisir and Krishna Bose had easy access to him. N-Chacha helped them found and run the Netaji Research Bureau in Kolkata with funding from the Central Govt., and together they created a huge web of lies about Netaji, and the Museum you're speaking about, STILL HOUSES THOSE LIES TODAY. You're right, the Museum is actually Netaji's house; but see what they've done to it today - they've made it the Monument of Lies about the Great Man.

Some of the Major Lies are -
(1) Netaji married Emily Schenkel - No, he didn't - she simply was a steno appointed to help him by Hitler.

(2) Anita is his daughter - No, she isn't - that can't be when Emily wasn't his wife. Do NOT believe those Photographs that you see in the Museum, or any "Letters" they might show you. They're all FAKE.

To read more, I'll again give you the same Link -
Friends, CHECK THE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET - it might be FAKE ! (Link - Post No. 11 of that Thread)





THE SHAHNAWAZ AND KHOSLA COMMISSIONS WERE ALL FAKE


Set up under the auspices of N-Chacha, both these Commissions were fake. Justice Manoj Mukherjee, who led the last Investigation into Netaji's Disappearance has revealed Severe Discrepancies in the Research Methods and well as Evidence Collection Processes that they used. Once Habibur Rehman, who was claimed to be on that plane which crashed, was quoted as saying one; the next moment something else. Funny the Khosla Commission even went as far as to say that NETAJI UTTERED HIS DYING WORDS TO A CHINESE NURSE IN HER LANGUAGE - well, NETAJI KNEW 13 LANGUAGES, but he did NOT KNOW CHINESE. Funny Evidence, isn't that ?








THE FILM "BOSE : THE FORGOTTEN HERO" INTENDED TO HARM HIM - COURTESY SHYAM BENEGAL


An Explicitly Steamy Scene was shown in that Movie between Netaji and Emily. This was completely a DISTORTION of History. Netaji never had ANY Relationship with Emily - but Benegal claims that he had acquired that "HISTORICAL FACT" from NETAJI RESEARCH BUREAU - the SAME MUSEUM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. CAN YOU NOW SEE HOW N-CHACHA AND HIS SUCCESSORS, ALONG WITH MEMBERS OF NETAJI'S OWN FAMILY, HAVE CONSTANTLY TRIED TO MALIGN HIM, THROUGH ALL THE 65 YEARS OF OUR INDEPENDENT HISTORY ?

See why I told you you were going to be hurt ?

Now I have an Interesting Question - Netaji NEVER had any relations with Emily Schenkel, yet the Film HAD TO SHOW THE STEAMY SCENES. Now Consider Gandhi, he had FOUR CHILDREN, all Sons. You can verify that from this Link -
How many children did Mahatma Gandhi have? | Telugu Bloggers
Now, Gandhi could NOT HAVE HAD THOSE FOUR CHILDREN WITHOUT ANY SENSUAL (OR "STEAMY") SITUATIONS WITH HIS WIFE - AND HE WOULD'VE NEEDED AT LEAST FOUR - FOR NONE OF HIS SONS WERE TWINS. And Gandhi in his autobiography, himself mentions he was HAVING SEX WHEN HIS FATHER WAS DYING - HE CAME BACK FROM THE SEX AND FOUND THAT HIS FATHER HAD DIED. So that means, he had had AT LEAST FIVE SENSUAL (OR "STEAMY") SCENES IN HIS LIFE. WHY DID RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH'S FILM "GANDHI", THEN NOT SHOW EVEN ONE STEAMY SCENE FOR HIM, IF IT WAS OKAY TO SHOW THE ONE FOR BOSE THAT NEVER HAPPENED ?

I used to think that SHYAM BENEGAL was a good Film Director, BUT NOW I KNOW WHAT HE IS. I've heard from many leading journalists of Kolkata that many other Knowledgeable People had invited him to get the True Facts of Netaji from them, BUT HE STUCK TO "NETAJI RESEARCH BUREAU" - THE "MUSEUM" THAT YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT. WHY ? WAS HE UNDER SOME INSTRUCTIONS TO DO THAT ? IF YES, FROM WHOM ?

YES, SOMETIMES I REALLY DO FEEL THAT "BUREAU" IS REALLY A "MUSEUM" - do you know what they call it in Hindi - AJAYABGHAR. Truly AJAYAB.

Do you now see where another Idol Broke ? And Dissolved away like a Lump of Soddy Clay ?







THERE'S MORE


There are many more. If I start saying all, this Post will become unmanageable.

So what I'll do is - I'll give you the names of two Resources - one online and the other off, and you can get tons of materials about Netaji from there -
(1) MissionNetaji.org (LINK : MISSION NETAJI)

(2) Khonj Khabor, c/o Tetris Worldcom Ltd., 37 Shakespeare Sarani, Kolkata-700017 (Near Opposite Beckbagan Kala Mandir). Phone - (033)-40106000, (033)-2289-6250/4078. Are you Bengali ? Or can you read Bengali ? If you are, then you can talk to them about a book on Netaji they had published - "Netajir Khonj-Khabor" (means, Netaji's Khonj Khabar). That Book is in Bengali, and I'm not sure if they have an English Translation. However that book is authored by Anup Chattopadhyay, a Leading Journalist and Expert on Netaji, with Inputs from Ms. Purabi Roy (I call her my God), who's another Big Expert on Netaji. That book's going to open your eyes to facts that will leave you numb and cold in your chair, and at the same time, also very Stirred and Inspired.







YOUR NEXT CONCERN


........summit,bt u didnt get my point,being married or single doesnt create any hurdle towards ur feelings 4 ur motherland.Mrs. Kiran Bedi is married 2 Mr.Brij Bedi(social activist),Mr.Arwind Kejriwal is married 2 Sunita Kejriwal(I.A.S officer & batchmate of Kejriwal)bt it dsnt mean dat they r less devotee 2wards d nation than annaji......

No Roop, I've nothing against marriage. I'm only against LIES.

NETAJI'S MARRIAGE IS A BIG LIE - IT HAS BEEN DONE TO SPREAD MISINFORMATION ABOUT NETAJI - SO THAT FOREIGN INFLUENCES COULD BE USED TO SUPPRESS FACTS ABOUT HIM, AND SO THAT THE REIGN OF CORRUPT IN OUR COUNTRY CAN CONTINUE. AND IF YOU READ THAT BOOK - YOU'LL KNOW HOW SHAMELESSLY THAT MARRIAGE HAS BEEN PARADED ABOUT BY N-CHACHA and co. THAT IS WHAT I'M AGAINST.

Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal are Great Persons - I have tremendous Respect for them.

BUT BOSE - OUR DEAR NETAJI SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE - WAS SOMETHING ELSE. A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ELEMENT. HE WAS NOT JUST A STAR, HE WAS A GALAXY, AND EVEN MORE. TO ME, HE'S LIKE THE UNIVERSE.





Hope that helps. With Information, and with quelling your doubts.

Best Wishes,

Summit.

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JAI BHARAT

Dear Summit, you have picked up a very nice topic. I appreciate your dedicated studies towards Bharat Mahan. Views mentioned here of all maa Bharati's Saput (sons & Daughters) are worthy to read.

I believe that the moment our current people will realize BHARAT is far better and ahead of this Modern India, as this INDIA tag was labeled by Britishers, not only dream of our lakhs of TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTERS but also of patriot like ANNAJI will come true.

I remembered Annaji's Sandesh (Message) of 16th Aug. 2011, which he concluded with "JAI BHARAT".

I think if we all "Saput" of Maa Bharti starts greeting each-other with Jai Bharat, the spirit of HONESTY, PUREITY, PATRIOTISM, HUMANITY and so be will automatically inculcate in us.

Jai Bharat


Dear Brother sgaserv,

My Mother India is a Country like no other.
"Sujalaam Suphalaam, Malayaja Sheetalaam,
Shashya Shyaamlaa Mataram

Shubhra Jyotsna Pulakita Yamini
Phulla Kusumita Drumadala Shobhinim
Suhaasinim, Sumadhura Bhashinim

Sukhdaam, Varadaam, Mataram"
That's my Mother. Call her by any name, she's still my Mother.

And I Love to belong to this Land - the Land of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.

"Ittefaq, Aitmad, Qurbaani", my Leader had said,..."Unity, Faith, Sacrifice."

"BHARAT is far better and ahead of this Modern India..." My Mother is beautiful however she is...whether as Bharat...or as India...Both are the names of my Mother...both are equally dear to me....Call her Durga or Kali, and she's equally dear to me.

"as this INDIA tag was labeled by Britishers"....Let me read you a line from Rabindranath Tagore -
"Ye my heart, my holy pilgrimage,
Slowly Rise,
On the Shores of the Multitudes of Bharat
Stand I here, arms outstretched,
Pray I, to the Great God of humanity
Greet I him,
With the most Generous of Rhythms,
And the Loftiest Peaks of Ecstasy
,.................................
,.................................
The World shall come and give
It shall all merge, all meld into one
But shall not go back
From the Shores of the Multitudes of Bharat
"
(P.S. : Translation was mine - if you liked, Credit to Tagore, if you didn't, disapproval all mine - the Original Poem is actually a BEAUTIFUL one - a GEM - after all TAGORE)

The word India, actually comes from "Hindia", which again comes from "Sindhia" or "Sindhu".

The Sindhu is the Indus River, and it was Alexander's (the Great) Team that, going by their Greek dialect, called Sindh as Hindh, or Hind.

From that 'Hind' came 'Ind', and hence 'India'.

Another variant - 'Ind' can come from 'Indu', meaning the moon. Isn't my Mother as beautiful as the Moon herself ?

Any thought to why Indian Calendars are mostly made around the Moon (Lunar Calendars) ? Sorry, can't guarantee you on this one, but a link might be there.

Bharat (pronounced Bhaarat) comes from Maharaja Bharat, the Father of King Shantanu, and the Grandfather of Bheeshma Pitaamah.
Uttaram yat Samudrasya
Himadreschaiva Dakshinam
Varshamtad Bharatama Nama
Bharati Yatra Santati
Bharati Yatra Santati; Yatra = Here, Santati = Offspring and their Progeny (comes from Santaan-Santati).

Bharati Yatra Santati simply means - Here are the Children and Generations of Maharaja Bharata.

Two ways of Naming my Mother - both from her own soil - which one should I choose ?

Bharat reflects her Domestic Richness, India her International Splendour. Which one should I choose ?

And so I said, call my Mother by any Name, she's always my Mother - and to me, the Best Mother in the World!

I know she's yours too. You're after all my brother. Call her Maa, Call her Amma, she's still our Mother.

Call her what you will....

See ya Brother,

Summit.

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Dear Summit,Thanx 4 d above information,i m very much imprsd wid ya thoughts n d knowledge u hav,m very happy 2 find a persn like u who z havn tremendous knwlg abt my dear Netaji,bt i also really felt sad 2 knw abt d above facts mentioned by u.Being a bengali m really feeling very shame on maself dat till nw I only belive on what my eyes have seen bt not hav tried get in2 d depth of his life.I think it could b 1 of d reasons dat 4 me he z a gr8 person,a man of knowledge,a true son of this motherland,a man who was having imense emotions 4 his family bt 4 him,his duty 2wards his motherland was more important & 4 me he z still alive.
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Dear Summit,Thanx 4 d above information,i m very much imprsd wid ya thoughts n d knowledge u hav,m very happy 2 find a persn like u who z havn tremendous knwlg abt my dear Netaji,bt i also really felt sad 2 knw abt d above facts mentioned by u.Being a bengali m really feeling very shame on maself dat till nw I only belive on what my eyes have seen bt not hav tried get in2 d depth of his life.I think it could b 1 of d reasons dat 4 me he z a gr8 person,a man of knowledge,a true son of this motherland,a man who was having imense emotions 4 his family bt 4 him,his duty 2wards his motherland was more important & 4 me he z still alive.

Oh Roop, there's nothing to feel so bad about.

In fact, I didn't come to know all this in one day. There are many who don't know about any of this. It has taken me a long time to get across to all this information. It all began when I was studying in Class X (Ten). From my very childhood, my mother had always taught and inspired me about Netaji. But in our Class X History Text Books, I was surprised to find that Netaji and the Azad Hind Fauz had been Reduced to a Miniscule Mention near the End of the book. The Naval Revolt spanned only a few Lines. And almost the Rest of the Entire book was about Gandhi.

But what surprised me even more that while Reading the Text, I couldn't find out why the British had at all Transferred Power to us. The description was all about the Process of transfer, with all the hullaballoo of the British Govt. and the Congress Leaders, and the Riots that broke out, but there was no explanation WHY THE BRITISH HAD TRANSFERRED US POWER.

For quite a few years, the confusion continued. Then slowly I began to realise things. The entire made-up, doctored, engineered structure of the history in those books began to fall apart. But it happened only in parts and pieces. I'd make some headway, and there'd be no progress for a long time, sometimes for months, sometimes years. But as I kept researching, I slowly tore into it. But a few pieces were still missing, and a lot many of those came in as Khonj Khabor arrived. Khonj-Khabor was a Bengali Investigative Journalism Programme that was aired on the Satellite (Cable) TV Channel "Akash Bangla". Since you're Bengali, you must have heard the name of the Channel. It's available all over the world.

Khonj-Khabor exposed a lot of the truths about how Netaji was back-stabbed by Jawaharlal Nehru,
and how many others, including his own Family Members were in it. That helped me a lot.

But the biggest problem has happened with analysing Gandhi. Though I could disassociate some of his myth from the Reality, for a long time I believed that Gandhi was a Good Human being, who was truly dedicated to Liberating his Nation from the British Yoke. That even funnily led me to kind of hold for a long time - in fact, almost the entire two decades - that Gandhi's and Bose's methods were two streams of our Independence Movement. I had been hearing murmurings about Gandhi in Communist and other literature, of the type that Gandhi was more interested in protecting the interests of the Rich and the Wealthy (Bourgeoisie , or the Haves) than about freeing his motherland. But being more a Pragmatist than a Communist, I did not pay much attention to those. Never having seen him so disrespectfully, I couldn't even agree to it. I just couldn't associate those thoughts with what I had read (or rather, been made to read, courtesy of Govt. Of India's Doctored History) about him. To me, they seemed almost outlandish; I couldn't connect them to form a single story. But them something happened - I came to know about Gandhi's Philosophy and Practices on Brahmacharya and Sex. And then in SHUDDERING SECONDS, the Entire thing fit into one Piece. IT JUST FIT. It was something that happened just out of the blue - a Brainwave, a Sudden Realisation, a Sudden Coming Together of the Parts into a Whole, and LO - The Entire Picture was before my eyes.

You wouldn't believe, the truth that I had so hunted for nearly two Decades was right there - in front of my eyes - it had suddenly appeared, as if out of nowhere - in a matter of SECONDS. I stood dumb, numb, surprised, shocked, stunned, unable to believe what had just happened, comparing TWO DECADES, with what - a HANDFUL OF SECONDS. It was as if God had been kind on me, and had suddenly sent me in a whiff all the Secrets I was looking for.

But the FEELINGS that FOLLOWED THEN were HARD - a mixture of Opposites, flowing together at the same time. There was together an Intense Happiness, and Grave Despair; a sense of Extreme Jubilation, and a Burning Anger; I was washed by waves, and I was burnt by Fire; I could smell Roses, and I could sniff Carrion; I felt the touch of a Feather, and also a Sword gashing through me - it was all there.

And that was the beginning. I put together everything at one place. I began researching, thinking, mulling and writing. You might find acid in my writings here; but trust me, I'm putting none of that. I was never this kind of a person. But it's all happening now. It's all coming out of its own. Maybe that is what you call - HURT.

Yes, that was the beginning. And there's been no looking back. And knowing what I now know of Gandhi and Nehru (in fact the entirety), I'll never be able to Forgive these two people. The Men I took to be Angels turned out to be Demons.

And we need to be careful. What is being presented to us in our school-books is a brain-wash. They're catching us young, and filling our brains with all distorted forms and facts of history, and by the time we mature into adults, the effect is difficult to wash off. Ideas that capture a young brain are difficult to shed off, and when they're wrong, they can lead to disaster. We must start teaching our young children at home the true facts of history, and at the same time also press for correction of the distorted representation in our school history books. Otherwise, this country can never attain the true status it deserves to, for its children are getting spoilt.

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Terrific, Dada....that was Great...!!!....BRILLIANT....!!!!....BEYOND MY IMAGINATION.....!!!....THANK YOU....!!!....
Gentle Bro ! Too many Thanks for calling me "Dada".
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