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Should there be reservations on financial grounds??

Considering equality of caste,creed,race and religion there still lies one untouched aspect of inequality,THE FINANCIAL STATUS of people. Should reservations .....



: Should we have reservations on financial grounds??
YES 14 35.00%
NO 8 20.00%
CANT SAY!! 2 5.00%
There can be other ways to help out such people(post ur suggestion ) 16 40.00%
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  #11  
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Considering equality of caste,creed,race and religion there still lies one untouched aspect of inequality,THE FINANCIAL STATUS of people.
Should reservations be permissible in case of economically backward people??
Should they be given seats in institutes as they have no means of taking coachings to clear entrance exams or in case of jobs, may be they don't have enough resources to get themselves a job owing to the nepotism in INDIA..
How can we justify "anti-reservation" for such people???
Dear,

Our country is in such state that we have to eradicate the reservation on caste basis but we have to take care of those who don't even get two time food to eat and sometimes not even for once. If we have reservation for these people at least then we (India) can change the scenario of poverty.

Regarding the case of education and jobs it should be given on the merit basis and not the reservation. 'Coz this is the point where the deserving people are rendered empty handed despite of all their efforts. Here the merit counts.

If we will provide reservation to people under poverty line on financial basis, we can bring their status equal to others in a very small time.

Government can provide scholarships to the children under poverty line and can help them to achieve their goals.

Government should raise the status of Government schools and should give education to these children free of cost until the senior secondary level. It sounds very costly but it's not much costlier than the money eaten by the leaders every second day or I can say everyday.

You must have read the news of orrisa, people are eating mud to survive their hunger. We have to help them. Not only them but every Indian who is not getting sufficient food to survive.

India has a very good economy, which can handle this but off-course, we have act against the corruption in our country. This should be our aim and we should work together to achieve our goal.

We can do it. There is not the question "whether we can do it or not" but this is our duty to do it.

"WE HAVE TO DO THIS..!!! NO ONE WILL COME FROM OUTSIDE TO DO IT FOR US. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY AND WE MUST DO IT."

We have to help each other and hence every Indian should help the person next to him or her so that no one feel alone in this battle against the corruption and the corrupts.

Inqlab Zindabaad..!!!

"JAI HIND"
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Things are not as simple

reply @poonam,sohit,ace\

Dear friends ,
I am a doctor from aiims ,and i know about the impact of reservation.
It can destroy a young life ,my frnd had committed suicide(1999) when he was unable to make it to aiims inspite his sincere efforts .
I had to suffer reservation injustice ,so much that i left my motherland ..
ab issse zyada aur kea kahun main .

Reservation is bad in all its forms .

It breaches the spirit of democracy which says that all citizen are equal.

It hampers healthy competition.

It promotes incompetence at all levels .

It dismantles motivation levels in employees .

It mentally wrecks students .

In india,with all its financial problems ,our solution to this problem lies in harnessing human resources .

1.promoting emigration .
2.making MOU wth foreign universities for admissions.
3.providing interest free loans to students to study abroad .
4 .instead of financial funding ,education shud be subsidised at all levels .
5 .employment opportunities for young students just like abroad to pay for there education.
6.making education system truly international
7 .removing incompetency by ELIMINATION.


iN A COUNTRY WHERE CBSE EXAM WAS LEAKED IN 2003,AND DONT KNW WEN ?

MERIT ALSO SUCKS,UNRELIABLE CRITERIA.

SAT LIKE EXAM
SCHOLARSHIP APTITUDE TEST CONDUCTED BY SOME INTERNATIONAL AGENCY.

THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD
MASS EMIGRATION...
@ Doctor Saheb... Things are not as simple as that. Because you and I have been at receiving ends. It doesn't make it bad. As you mentioned that you have faced injustice, what about the injustice towards those who have not access to school, college and universities? What about those whose parents are illiterate, striving for 2 time meals a day and then compelled to instigate child labor? It is always easy to speak about one side of coin. As per Arjun Sen Gupta Report, 80 percent of population resides below poverty line earning livelihood with less than Rs. 20 a day. Even Tendulkar committee report estimate poverty with over 40 percent of population. In a country where, planning commission has been changing the criteria of poverty estimation to suit their interest of showing low poverty rates, dismal and pathetic education system, it is very easier said than done to advocate for mass emigration. You said, reservation hamper healthy competition. where is healthy competition? competition doesn't happen in an environment of prejudice where access of resources are heavily tilted towards a group in compared to others. And spirit of democracy! Just visit a village of UP, Bihar, Haryana and spirit of democracy will be visible where one class of people are suppressed even in raising their voices. Dreams doesn't make ground reality different. It would have been really fascinating if our dreams always come true. But unfortunately it is not so. And truly internationalized education system? Are we talking about anything which is near to reality? The reality is, it will need huge funds, even to the extent of 30 % of our GDP for next 10 years where we are currently spending roughly 3 % of GDP on education. So privatization of education could be one solution. But wait, that would make education even costlier and in affordable to even those who consider themselves in middle class.

So let be pragmatic and realistic. The solution is to design a policy which entails about time-bound abolition of reservation by inducting multiple-indices based reservation, capped in one's life-cycle (one person can take only once be it education, employment, promotion etc) and single time opportunity for family (One family can get the benefit only once, descendants of beneficiaries would cease to qualify for reservation benefit.)

I belongs to disadvantageous section of reservation ie. the so called forward castes and have bore the burnt in getting my job, which is now a public sector undertaking, but this doesn't compel me to behave hypocritically against a system which objective is to bring equity. If equity will not be delivered in a foreseeable future, then the nation will start bleeding in a civil-war whose trail-or is being shown by Naxalites. India has always been a divided nation and susceptible to divide and that's what has been the reason for foreign dominance on Indian soil.
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Last edited by sanjay.met2006@gmail.com; 04-11-2011 at 01:23 PM
  #13  
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Reservation on financial grounds sounds good and looks straighforward. But don't you think it will suffer the same or worse fate as caste-based reservation. What is the ground of reservation as it is today: Caste. Is this not being abused/misued/subverted by the capable people belonging to any caste thereby denying its benefits to those who actually need it?

For one, how will you determine is someone is indeed financially so weak as to require reservation? Let's say, there is a vacancy for some post in a govt. office whereby some 10 seats are reserved for the financially weak people. Now, from the hundreds of thousands of applications claiming to be financially weak, how will you determine who the genuine ones are? Will you set after each and every such applicant to look at their bank details, living conditions and so on? Or will a sort of "card" be issued to them that says that the person is financially backward - can't such card be issued to to people willing to bribe their way to get it?

In our country where any rule or law can be bent because of corruption, reservation based on financial status would be even worse than caste based reservation in that its benefits would even more rarer in reaching the needy - in caste based reservation there is at least some chance of the needy getting it, and this can be verified.
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@ Rohit bro! My proposed solution is Multiple Indices Based reservation which may include

1. Economic condition of parents
2. Literacy of parents
3. Place of Education - 10th, 12th, graduation (village, block, tahsil, district, state capital, metro city
4. Caste
5. Gender
6. Region where candidate spent his formative years.

Each of these points may be given certain weight-age. As some one belonging to a villahe have far less exposure and information access than one person residing in Metro city at same level of economic condition. Now father education, caste and place of residence are pre-recoded through mechnism of UID Card (Aadhaar) which is not duplicable and can't be manipulated. For accessing reservation, one must mention his/her UID card number and system will capture all the data and raise one multiplier. This multiplier will be muliplied in candidate's actual score of examination. Hence say, if there are 10 post in any government services then people of all categories will give examination and those who are seeking reservation benefits have to mention their UID number which will entails their multiplier. Net accumulative will be a product of score and multiplier. This method will be a combination of affirmative action and competence. One student can't get through just because of reservation but it have to score well so that cumulative can make him in merit list.

I hope, i have made some sense!
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Agreed - but its easy to do the verification for a few hundred people. What will one do when hundreds of thousands of such people have to be selected or verified for eligibility - for all you know it will become like the ration card system, which is also based on certain economic parameters, and which can be easily manipulated.

Before any new system of "affirmative action" is put into place, there have to be safeguards against its misuse - viz., corruption has to be removed from the allocation or eligibility determination process.
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Manipulation and forgery is punishable offence

Agreed...But there would be no reason why will people will manipulate. One just need to be sure through random checks. Even today, if some one makes false caste certificate and get the job then there is no mechanism to know the malpractices. But people don't do generally because if it get to notice any time in the service period then he had to face criminal charges of forgery and manipulation and laible for punishment.

In this system also, same provision of criminal charges and punishment on manipulation can be made applicable and this will act as deterrent.
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See, it is a matter of scale or scope - with caste-based reservation the scope of checking and verification and misuse is a lot less than in the case of income-based reservation. Income based reservation will be more damaging than caste based reservation - simply because of the scale involved (and given the pathetic state of govt. affairs in our country). We have a lot more people in total as compared to people belonging to SC/ST/OBC. Now which is more manageable - the whole lot or a section of it?
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Please check today's post.
Many people (presumably SC/ST/OBC etc) tend to divert the issue of reservation by citing the examples of people living below poverty line.
We have asked few specific questions in today's post which should be answered in a specific manner. Moreover, this website was originally meant for people against reservation. The people are requested to ascertain the extent of benefits given to the reserved category right from basic education to the higher posts.
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I feel it's best to focus in this forum on Corruption and Lokpal bill. Otherwise, assuming almost all people who come to this site agree on anti-corruption drive of Anna, reservation will divide us into 2 groups. And for every new issue we discuss here, there will be more such divisions, making each sub group of people who agree on all issues into small groups, which those opposed to Lokpal Bill will exploit, to divide us and continue to rule in heir own corrupt ways.

If some of us feel there are equally important issues, let's wait for the Lokpal Bill to be passed and made into an Act. Then, they can start another movement against whatever cause they want to espouse.

In fact, I'm of the strong opinion that Anna Hazare himself should avoid taking up any other issues (like right to recall) AT LEAST till Lokpal bill is passed as required. If anna feels he will get popular support for every cause he espouses, he may be mistaken. This issue was just ripe, waiting for a leader to take over, and Anna was just the right person, and luckily for us, he came our way to lead us.

Though there are 100's of serious & urgent issues to be resolved, I'm afraid taking up more than one at a time will only be counter-productive. I hope Anna's advisors tell him this.

Ganesan. :~)
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Isnt it pessimistic to think that you cant possibly do anything?? There is no derth of good lawyers,yet we are in such a state...thats only cos the youth feels they cant do anything...Elders werent wrong when they said "THE FUTURE OF A COUNTRY LIES IN ITS YOUTH".

When you have the will power to change,u can...change anything in the world!!
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