Exclusion of topics related with reservation

Dear Members,

This is regarding a suggestion to exclude all topic which belongs to reservation. Corruption and Reservation are two different and mutually exclusive issues. This forum of India Against Corruption has been made for a fight against corruption. Too much involvement in divisive topic like Reservation may hamper the unity.

My personal observation is, discussions on reservation and views are heavily tilted towards one side and genuine, scholarly diverse of opinions are absent. In this scenario, one class of people may feel themselves neglected and under-represented here because of whatever may be the reason - not so good writing skill, composing of ideas or anything else. I have already experiences few of my Facebook friend belonging to specific class being against the Fight Against Corruption movement and alleges Indian Media of being Brahmanic and elitist in nature as they feel their issues are being neglected. Discussions on reservations on this forum will give fodder to those skeptics.

Hence, i suggest to make this forum specific to corruption and not to dilute it's goals.

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Regards,
Sanjay Rai
A Small Sepoy
India Against Corruption

My dear and respected brother! This forum was formed as Anti-reservation forum and converted to India against corruption later. We have to solve/take-up the issues which hit us directly. You remove the reservation system and see the shape of the government offices. These incompetent employees/officers are corrupting the entire system. In simple terms-
Remove the reservation, corruption will vanish by default. These ST/ST/OBC are basically not god-fearing.

My Dear Brother @ Vinay

You are true in every sense about the resevation system as many get govt jobs who are not eligible but my removing this system u r never going to eradicate corruption bcoz nowadays everyone is equally involved .

I had told in another post that 70-80% of the govt employees are from SC/ST/OBC in present configuration. 99% of them are fearless and do not do any duty without harassment or bribe. From 20-30% of open category employees, 50% are either god-fearing or simply the honest employees who do not wish to defame their fore-fathers. I would request you to observe the working method of quota fellow in any govt office and kindly convey your observation to us. For example, take RTO. In earlier days, most of the constables/inspectors were from upper caste and had some brain to apply in different circumstances but nowadays most of them are from ST/ST/OBC who will not in any case leave you without taking money. If you look from a gentleman's family then there is no chance at all.

@ Vinay brother! I am not able to understand the co-relation of corruption and caste ie reservation. Is it ethically and humanly proper to say that people belonging to one class are more corrupt than others! Have any sociologist proved this co-relation? There is an adage - "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". So does that infer, powerful, upper caste is more corrupt? Upper caste has dominated Indian Poltics, so may i dare to conclude that Upper caste is more corrupt and insensitive towards corruption? Because it has not intended to take any remedial action or legislate against corruption?
These claims are suicidal having no research backing. Neither, i am able to verify the claim that 70-80 % of government jobs are in the hands of reservation beneficiaries. It would be appreciable if you can substantiate your claim by citing any authentic source. At the first instance, it is looking blatant distortion of facts. When government has been providing 22.5 % reservation since independence (which increased to the extent of 50 % after Mandal commission recommendation implementation in 1990), then how could reservation beneficiaries can reach to 70-80 %? And if your claim is considered to be true, then it means that over 45 % of these caste students has got the job on merit. (80 - 35 % = 45 %). 35 % has been taken as employees who has come via reservation at the moment by roughly adjusting 22.5% prevailing in 1990 and 50% currently prevailing. So are you saying that irrespective of merit/competence, people from specific castes are more vulnerable to corruption; and caste and corruption both are highly co-related?

By accepting the claim of 80 % of employees are from castes eligible for reservation, it may be inferred that they are equally compatible. Which is not true as cut off shows this. Hence, i have no option but to conclude that beneficiaries of reservation are far less and currently could exist between 33-38 % of overall employee base in government system cumulative of state and central. Now this suggest that over 60% employee base have come via no reservation benefits. Hence, as per your argument that greater population in employee base should be held accountable for corruption compel me to derive the conclusion that "Employees of no-reservation benefit tend to be corrupt more than other".

Candidly, i don't believe in both ie that there is any co-relation between caste and corruption or reservation benefit vs corruption.

Your candid feedbacks are welcome!

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Regards,
Sanjay Rai
A Small Sepoy
India Against Corruption

My dear friends,
Thanks for the comments and suggestions on this. The website is a discussion board to encourage free discussions. The comments of members regarding the topic of corruption are as valuable as their comments regarding reservation or other things. To keep things simple, we have created separate forum-sections for various topics. Members can participate in either or all of the sections.

Personally, I believe that instead of making people register twice for different issues, we can have them participate in various sections with the same ID.

Thanks again for your comments and criticism. I wish to thank you all for the active discussions and comments. Every one is doing his or her bit to create a better India for the generations to come...


Jai Hind,

Admin

Dear and respected Admin!
We didn't oppose the movement of anti-corruption. Now the ball is in Govt's court and will take time before any concrete result comes out. The mass is mobilised and regenerated to take up another burning issue of reservation. You must have noticed, a good number of people are charged and are desperate to do away with reservation system. Now their next generation is bleeding for want of govt jobs. The black money in Swiss bank, Adarsh scam or 2G scam are not directly affecting our children but reservation system does. The hard work of theirs are rotting.

Dear Vinay ji
I fully agree with you here. That's the point I have raised. We are the same people - the citizens of India... If we can discuss more than one thing at the same platform, it will enrich our discussions with better ideas from many individuals having varied experiences of life.

I look forward to more participation from fellow Indians!

Jai Hind,

Admin

Dear Vinay,

I wish to highlight the following:

"These ST/ST/OBC are basically not god-fearing." "...had told in another post that 70-80% of the govt employees are from SC/ST/OBC in present configuration. 99% of them are fearless and do not do any duty without harassment or bribe."

Now, aren't these as insidious, hateful and biased as saying that the upper-classes are to blame for all the caste-based discrimination?

Reservation is bad today due to the way it is practised - its goals were subverted by political greed and it has become a tool to generate votes. If practised correctly it has the potential to uplift the downtrodden people.

Now, no one said that just because the selection criteria for the backward classes is less strict as compared to that of the upper classes, so is the standard of work that can be expected from them. Unfortunately it has become so - standard of work in govt. offices is nowhere compared to the private sector. Is reservation to blame? IMO primarily not - that's because its more of an attitude problem ("chalta hai, kal dekh lenge, apna kya jaata hai", and so on). Is this attitude a trait of the SC/ST/OBC alone? It would be hugely unfair to say so.

IMO the major cause of bad quality of govt. work are unions - these started out as bodies that ensured fair treatment of employees, and soon turned into bodies that simply protected its members - even if they are genuinely wrong. In other words, in govt. offices you cannot take easily disciplinary action on an erring employee who belongs to a union - the union will simply throw the entire office's functioning out of gear. That is the reason why there's no quality - most employees belong to one or the other union, and relax in the assurance that they have the union to back them up. So work is lax. Only those employees not too much into unionism usually move up the ladder - but they are still stuck with subordinates who have unions to back them up...so again its the same vicious circle.

To ensure a good discussion, I am moving the topic here and closing this thread.

Thanks everyone for your time and suggestions!