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"Reservation is one of the root cause of corruption and governmet failure".

Mr Ganesan ! First I would like to remind you this site was originally "Anti-Reservation Front" when I joined it. .....



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  #51  
02-27-2012
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Similarly it is impossible to remove corruption from this world


Mr Ganesan ! First I would like to remind you this site was originally "Anti-Reservation Front" when I joined it. There were only few members then and it was inactive. You can go back to 2 years' history of that site. Somebody changed it later as "India Against Corruption". On this site you are the lone person to favour reservation system.
If you are here for wiping out the corruption from India, you are living in fool's paradise. The governments can go but corruption will be a part of each government.
  #52  
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Either you have not estimated the impact of reservation system on open category or you have seen only BPL society. In a survey by a TV channel, 38% of open category people are supporting Mayawati Govt. for second term. We are not surprised because we have people like you among us.
  #53  
02-27-2012
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Dear Admin,

Please make up your minds if you want this to be an Anti-Corruption site or an Anti-Reservation site.

If it's an Anti-Reservation site, I have no interest, and I would not have wasted my time all along; in such a case, it's only proper that you change the domain name as it gives a wrong impression, particularly given that one of your oldest members believes (please read the post above): "If you are here for wiping out the corruption from India, you are living in fool's paradise. The governments can go but corruption will be a part of each government". And he believes that reservation can be removed. (Whether it should be removed is another matter, open to debate.)

Thanks,

Ganesan. :~(
  #54  
02-27-2012
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Dear Mr. Vinay Kumar,

I won't support Mayawati Government if I had a vote, not because of her caste but because of her deeds. (Not that there are great options, though. Are the leaders from open category castes great leaders who you can feel proud about?)

I don't believe in voting her out because of her caste as you appear to expect me to do, nor voting for her because I see her as a lesser evil from a caste angle, as you believe those from 'open category caste people' are voting for her. I'll vote purely based on her performance, not based on her or my caste, but in the interest of the whole society. I'll vote purely as an Indian. Period.

What's the fault you're finding in my logic?

Ganesan. :~(
  #55  
02-27-2012
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Vinay,

Ofcourse Reservation has the potential to touch every sphere of our life. It's effect on crippling growth in India is still to be found. As far as question of 'Open Category' being divided on Reservation issue is concerned here's my assessment of it.
Rural Scenario.
I traveled across Central and Western UP. Chunks of those contributing to SC/ST/OBC are ghettoized owing to their traditional way of living. Even after land reforms and collectivization by State Govt. they're still sticking together in century old way of panchayat law. Their children grow up, live in same village and follow centuries old professions. Whatever Village Pradhan and Village Council decides is followed. Pradhan decides who is to be voted, which rallies and demonstrations are to be supported and where crowd is to pulled, villagers follow what village council says without giving a thought. Whereas, Forward Caste villages are sparsely populated and they're very innovative about new business. Forward Caste villages in western UP are indulged in business of construction material, transportation etc. Their children also study in cities, many well off families among these villages means that there are differences in policy to follow. You'll find many families in race of leadership in these villages. That's why they're divided
Urban Scenario
Total detachment from politics. I still remember that when I was in school and teacher asked a girl what she disliked most, she said "Political Issues". Forward Castes in Delhi are at a total loss of vision for future. As if they have accepted whatever is imposed on them. Whenever I put this issue in front of my close friends they start by saying "What can we do?" and things like "Govt. job is too boring, who wants to go for it anyway. Private Universities are best. I want to be self employed sitting in my plush office after studying abroad rather than be in a shabby Govt. Office on creaking chair". Reservation doesn't concern those who grew up here, also they are not interested in anything political. That's how they're either not concerned or are divided on this issue.

Need of the hour.
Spreading word on Discriminatory Policies of Govt. against it's own citizens. Awakening all section of Urban Population. I wrote following suggestions to YFE:
(1) Holding rallies and sitins near magistrate offices, collectorates while
inviting local media to cover movement.
(2) Organizing debates and discussions in colleges and schools to generate
awareness amongst youth and attract them to your movement.
(3) Participating in TV talk shows showing demerits of Caste based reservation in
India.
(4) Distributing pamphlets and Information CDs to professionals in field of
medicine, law, journalism and education to spread your message further.
(5) Exposing lax rules/corruption/bribes involved while issuing caste certificate
by bureaucracy and making stories on it with help of media.
(6) Coming up with economic surveys that focus on low income areas with Forward
caste majority.

One thing in our favor is the fact that "Decisions are made in Delhi". We do only need to concentrate on Urban population. India is governed by rule of might. If you can organize strong protests in order
of thousands with affiliation of other group working against reservation then your
movement will be successful. It is also very much affordable if a few join hands with me. When was the last time you saw hoarding in Delhi about Anti Reservation? A few lakhs is all that's needed to put up enough Banners around Colleges to draw college protests. Just get down to streets and start protesting. The day you're able to turp up 1 lac supporters at ram lila
maidan against Reservation, you'll see uproar in parliament against reservation or atleast modifying criteria.
And, it's not hard to turn up 1 lac in Delhi given massive population of Forward
castes.
  #56  
02-28-2012
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Well said siddharth ji n keep writting n thanks fr ur views
JAI HIND
  #57  
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"I mean"

Dear Mr. Sunil Mishra,

Your posts after every phase of polling, like the one above, make amusing reading.

What is your conclusion? It' unclear. And how did you arrive at this conclusion? Can you please explain in detail?

Thanks,

Ganesan. :~)
Dear sir! "Average voting in UP = (61+57+59)/3= 59%
Average voter (benifitted by reservation)SC+ST+OBC+MUSLIM= 80%
Voting power of General Category is just 20% in UP.
Now it is quite easy to find out which category is not going to vote.."

If i am right then-

1- What is election commison doing ?
2- Why is the reservation facility provided cast wise ?
3- How long intelligence will be neglacted in our country ?

Last edited by sunil_mishra; 02-28-2012 at 03:15 PM
  #58  
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Salute to Mr Siddharth Rao

Dear Mr Siddharth
I am very happy and optimistic that our movement has got a man like you. It was possible only because of continuous debate and churning among deprived community (now upper castes). As you revealed correctly that many of us are least bothered about reservation system. I have to expand this post but later.
  #59  
02-29-2012
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It is very sad that intellectuals have no time to foresee the overall situation in our country today. We have been posting the results of surveys and studies on different platforms but they do not have time to read them or they think that they can not do anything. When they are robbed of money, looted,cheated,raped,murdered, they start blaming the govt. Who are the govts? Few MPs, few MLAs, few Corporators or few Gram Pradhans? We seldom blame ourselves for our indifferent attitude towards the society and the nation.
to be continued..............
  #60  
02-29-2012
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Mr. Vinay Kumar,

Isn't it ironic that, on the one hand you say, "If you are here for wiping out the corruption from India, you are living in fool's paradise. The governments can go but corruption will be a part of each government", but on the other hand, lamenting, "It is very sad that intellectuals have no time to foresee the overall situation in our country today....When they are robbed of money, looted,cheated,raped,murdered, they start blaming the govt....We seldom blame ourselves for our indifferent attitude towards the society and the nation".

Please work on eradicating corruption, which should be the priority.

Thanks,

Ganesan. :~(

 




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