"Reservation is one of the root cause of corruption and governmet failure".

Gentle men ! "Todays news is "Voting(61%)" in second spell UP election. It means people(sc/st/obc) living in that area are still apposing election. Voting percentage (61%) is below enough than that of reservation facilities provided to sc/st/obc catagories."

Gentle men ! " News is "Voting(57%)" in forth spell UP election. It means people(sc/st/obc) living in that area are still apposing election. Voting percentage (57%) is below enough than that of reservation facilities provided to sc/st/obc catagories."

Gentle men ! " News (Patrika Daily newspaper) is "Voting(59%)" in fith spell UP election. It means people(sc/st/obc) living in that area are still apposing election. Voting percentage (59%) is below enough than that of reservation facilities provided to sc/st/obc catagories."

Dear Mr. Sunil Mishra,

Your posts after every phase of polling, like the one above, make amusing reading.

What is your conclusion? It' unclear. And how did you arrive at this conclusion? Can you please explain in detail?

Thanks,

Ganesan. :~)

(1) Putting an incompetent and inferior person in place is corruption and gives rise to it. As far as Affirmative Action is concerned it has been experimented in world over (especially the case with Japanese Americans and African Americans) that best way for it to work is let institutions decide on the basis of their individual statistics that what is good for them and what is not. Foreg. it's useless for a nice college located in OBC dominated area to have reservation of OBC when statistics show that 80% of it's students are OBC anyway. This suggestion was also given by National Knowledge Commission. National Knowledge Commission, that has India's finest brains at work in it said outright that Reservation has not and will not help downtrodden. The only way out is strengthening Primary Education System.
(2) Today SC/ST/OBC have become worst enemies of their own category people. Two examples, one of my SC friend's dad was SHO in Delhi Police, his dad got job because of reservation. He got MBBS seat in UCMS (a nice college) because of reservation, now he became junior resident in MP Hospital because of reservation. Another one of my friend, who happens to be OBC, his dad is Section Officer with MR center delhi, his dad got promoted because of reservation, now his son got job as UDC in GPO delhi because of reservation. It's amazing how few leechers are sucking benefits of reservation generation after generation, keeping those in immediate need of benefits away. Those who really need reservation live in our villages, they don't even know that an affirmative action is put in place for them by government. Well off amongst SC/ST/OBC keep on greedily snatching rights of their own community brothers. 60 years of reservation has done nothing good other than making caste system more pronounced, and create a generation of beggars (Jats/Gurjar have a fabulous history with kingdoms and cities to their credit but today they are openly and proudly begging for reservation). Today, even a kid of millionaire OBC would grow up thinking that I can't compete with poor off-the-block general category guy. He says give me crutches of reservation. Reservation should be provided, let it be caste based if you want but only for a generation. It would cost less than $10,000 (server costs included) to create a database that would track those who rape reservation system generation after generation, but government's not willing.
(3) In todays context, Brahmins are those who have excellent education since childhood from a top notch school like DPS Vasant Kunj. Those who're financially well heeled and those who play golf and horse polo in school teams. All children passing out of DPS Vasant Kunj should be termed brahmins, those passing out of MCD schools (Rs 12 Fees per month) should be termed Dalits. Brahmins and Dalit students studying in DPS have same socio-economic regardless of caste and so is case with MCD students. A Dalit student passing out of DPS has better education and resources that a brahmin student out of MCD school. There is no reason why he should be getting an upstart in competitive exams even after being resourceful. There are only two castes in 21st century India 'rich and poor', all other to the imagination of Divide-Rule politicians like Yadav trio.

Mr. Siddharth Rao,

1. I agree about the need for strengthening the primary education system, and getting the historically underprivileged who still remain so to come out of their situation. Till we accomplish this, reservation may have to continue.

2. I agree about the need for making sure that the benefits of reservation reach the ones who truly remain underprivileged to this day, and taking it out of the reaches of the creamy layer.

3. We should not introduce a reservation policy for the poor; this will become one more reservation policy that would be difficult to remove later. Let's be fair and practical: the current reservation policy won't go.

Instead, welfare measures like the PDS should be extended in all vital areas like education, healthcare, etc. so that the poor can also have a minimum level of social sustenance, security and opportunities. The ones who put in more effort would come out on top, and the ones who take it easy will be able to survive.

If you agree, the fight should NOT be against reservation, but in favour of excluding the creamy layer. Remember, this won't help the Open Category people, but only add the creamy layer to Open Category and make reservation policy fair. Sure enough, many among the creamy layer will scream. But, how many of the anti-reservationsists are ready for this?

Ganesan. :~)

Mr Ganesan
Mr Sunil Mishra hints to you and your alikes V.P.Singh, Arjun Singh and other so-called moderate upper caste people who were/are supporting unjustifiable reservation system, to see how dalits in UP are standing solidly behind Mayawati inspite of the fact that UP is robbed by her govt. This is called loyalty. Not like upper caste people who are divided across the country. Can you tell any backward class leader opposing reservation system and its ill-effects on the society? Even they are not in favor of elimination of creamy layer (which you have unwillingly agreed) from the list of quota beneficiaries. V.P.Singh and Arjun singh thought that OBCs will use their photographs as wallpaper to decorate their drawing rooms but not a single person from OBCs even remembers them.

Mr Siddharth I am very happy to read your article and I would request you to join "All India Anti-Reservation Front " on facebook. We have to ignore people like Ganesan who is good enough in writing. Can he remove or try to remove creamy layers from the list of quota beneficiaries? I am sure- not.

You're aged and you sound intelligent but your views are myopic. First read more about Affirmative Action (Dutch Martin Empirical Study) in countries like Malaysia and Nigeria. Figure out what's best for us and what has truly been accomplished out of Reservation Policy, before blindly supporting it just because you're on Central Govt. List of beneficiaries. Here let me simplfy points for you.

I agree about the need for strengthening the primary education system... In reply to this, India has already got enough time. Twelve 5 year plans with 6-8% allocation on Education is pretty good but still in rural areas 1 school caters to population of 3000. Meanwhile, China grew from 14% literate to 95% literate when it's only slight less corrupt than us. Even if 20 more years are given for primary education. In the end, some Divide'n'Rule MP would be saying "We need more time, let the reservation continue". Lack of infrastructure is bread and butter for likes of Yadav trio who're otherwise too incompetent to win solely on intellect.

I agree about the need for making sure that the benefits of reservation reach the ones who truly remain underprivileged to this day... In reply to this, If you were to hand a 1 Cr. cheque to a District Councillor and tell him to provide scholarship for BPL families without a system in place to make him accountable. Do you think that this will be implemented correctly? Never. One more example for your review, A 'sahu' caste friend of mine (who're on Central Govt. OBC list) lives two blocks away from my house. He got a ford as birthday gift when we were in 12th standard. He was shamelessly attaching OBC certificate while seeking admission in JNU. He got admission. That's the point here, there's a total loss of a feeling of dishonour while accepting governments alms. I am willing to fund development from my pocket, of a Information System that will track all benefeciaries of Reservation. Implement it, have new certifiable issued receipts sent from Collectorates, Tehsildars. Empanel a few data aquisition firms and few data collection centers to make it transparent. Upload the database online for everyone's scrutiny. Those who benefit should appear with name, photograph and all details of benefits on website. This public scrutiny will arouse a bit of 'shame' amongst well off who grope the biggest chunk.

We should not introduce a reservation policy for the poor... In reply to this, It's about time that caste based reservation has to go. Across world there are time to time schemes like COEP, Minnesotta offered by Goverments to provide benefits to poor. This is done to help them break out of vicious circle of poverty. No one is opposing EWS quota in Delhi schools or EWS beds in private hospitals here in delhi or EWS flats to be built along with Luxury Condos. Central Reservation has to go in all forms now immediately. This issue has to be pushed to State Governments who with the help on committees will come up with only and only Time-barred, Economic criteria for distribution of earmarked benefits.

Dear Mr. Siddharth Rao and Mr. Vinay Kumar,

Thanks for your replies.

Let me clarify. I'm not a politician, nor have access to any of them; I'm simply not interested in associating with any of them.

Bracketing me with "V.P.Singh, Arjun Singh and other so-called moderate upper caste people who were/are supporting unjustifiable reservation system" is unfair to me, as I believe they have all done great disservice to the society by using reservation for their political ends. It's unfair to them because I'm too small to compare them with. I believe, if they were honest and fair in their acts and means, we may not be facing the kind of opposition to reservation. We may have even solved at least some of the need for reservation by now.

You questioned me: "...before blindly supporting it (meaning the Reservation Policy) just because you're on Central Govt. List of beneficiaries". Is it a fair question? Do you know me enough to say "I'm on Central Govt. List of beneficiaries", much less, "I'm blindly supporting it?" Please tell me what's your factual basis for such a personal attack on me?

Though I'm opposed to your point of view, did I attack anyone personally? You may not know how strong a critic of the Government I have been; I don't think I need to present my credentials here. If you read my posts in this forum, you'll know, but my criticism has been with factual balances, without which I'll be only rabble rousing. If you want to know more about me, contact me personally; this is not a forum for my bragging.

"Statistics are like lampposts: they are good to lean on, but they don't shed much light", as the saying goes. So, I desist an equally (if not better) statistics to support my arguments. If you read all my posts on reservation, you'll see that I have said it is an issue difficult to solve.

Let's realize that there are more than 2 points of view on reservation: "Yes", "No", and many views saying "Yes, with substantive modifications". For your info, the Judicial System also appears to be strongly in favour of such a middle ground. Agree with them, or disagree with them. They (and I) are as much a part of India as you. In democracy, we need to understand that people may have different points of view, some based on honest views and some others based on sectoral interests (like many among the strong pro-reservationists and anti-reservationists).

As to whether I'm myopic is an opinion, not a proven fact. May be you are ..., how can you be so sure it's me and not you? Let's desist from calling those opposed to our views names. This is the games politicians play. Can't two good and honest people hold diametrically points of view on any issue?

Neither am I likely to change your points of view nor are you likely to change mine. So, let's agree to disagree.

This forum is for opposing corruption, and I believe everyone in this forum agrees on this agenda. By discussing also reservation, we're only creating divisions within our ranks, which is not a good idea. This is why I have been opposed to discussing reservation in this forum.

Thanks,

Ganesan. :~(